Ball & Co - Report 1
999A appear to be 21J with sunray damasceening. (Thanks Rhett Lucke!)
999B appear to be ORRS, either Ball and Co or Private Label.
999C appear to be BRT .
999D appear to be BLF
999E are Ball's Standard Railroad Watch Co at least until 170101-170400.
999F are Railroad Watch Co , at least until the 90101-90950 run. Things get a little confusing there.
BLE's and ORC's were originally factory produced for Ball by Howard. I believe Ball had these in inventory up to the 20th century. It is my belief that all Ball and Co BLE's and ORC's had original B style barrel bridges displaced by these brotherhoods and should have no serial numbers under the barrel bridge. Their corresponding dials match the style found on Ball & CO Watches from serial numbers 42001-170400. Many of these bridges were found still in inventory when Ball shut down decades ago. It seems obvious that Ball filled orders from union members with these bridges as needed. Unfortunately so did modern collectors/dealers! It will be important for the collector to have the correct dial and movement combo!
My research pretty much stops at 170,400
With decades of switching, it is difficult to say anything with absolute certainty, but I have enough confidence in the mathematical probability of this information to state that:
I would definitely want to inspect the bottom of the plates for serial number matches before purchasing a watch that did not conform to my expectations.
serial model Movement descr Dial Name Source
601 936 BSSG WCB Don Barret
603 936 BSSG 999 Jeff Hess
607 936 BSSG WCB Jones/Horan
608 936 BSSG WCB Joel Sarich
611 936 BSSG
6019 936 BSSG Jeff Hess
6020 936 BSSG mrkd 17J WCB Lawrence Sowash
6105 936 BSSG WCB Jeff Smith
7103 937 Rhett Lucke
8619 936 BSSG 80 P I
8629 936 BSSG WCB Bill Kapp
8630 936 BSSG Jeff Hess
8631 936 BSSG J Scott
8711 938 Ball & Co ORRS ED/Kent
8718 938 F.F. Bonnet ORRS F.F.Bonnet Ed/Kent
8729 938 C.C. Fried Jeff Hess
8732 938 Marcy & CO ORRS Marcy & CO Ed/Kent
8741 938 A.Bach ORRS A. BAch Ed/Kent
8742 938 A. Bach ORRS A. BAch Ed/Kent
8745 938 A.Bach ORRS A.Bach Ed/Kent
8752 938 W.C. Davis ORRS W.C. Davis J.Fossette
8774 938 Ball & Co ORRS Ball & Co Bill Kapp
8782 938 Ball & Co ORRS
9489 939 ORRS Walt Kroeker
13001-13020 = 999C 13021-13070 = 999D 13071-13400 = 999B
13018 999C C.C. Gere !!!!!!!! Ball & Co ?? G.Frauenhoff
13020 999C BRT BRT G.Frauenhoff
13021 999D BLF BLF & E Ball Watch CO Brad Severe
13025 999D BLF B of LF 80 P I
13028 999D BLF ORRS Don King
13029 999D BLF B of LF D.Lockwood
13030 999D BLF B of LF Oldwatch.com
13041 999D BLF Ball Watch Co BLF & E !! J Scott
13045 999D BLF B of LF Ed/Kent
13050 999D BLF B of LF Lindell
13053 999D BLF B of LF
13078 999B Davis Bros Davis Bros
13109 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jones/Hora
13134 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13153 999B B.H Stief Stief M. Kosonenko
13169 999B Lynn & Leedy L &L
13173 999B Marcy & Co Marcy G.Frauenhoff
13176 999 B Borgerdine Br ORRS Jeff Hess
13177 999 mismatch plates and dial Ebay
13200 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13203 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13213 999B Ball & CO ORRS
13253 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13264 999B C.C.Fried CC Fried G.Frauenhoff
13266 999B C.C.Fried Bill Kapp
13271 999B Ball & Co ORRS H. McMahon
13293 999B Ball & Co ORRS Charley Sides
13303 999B Ball Watch Co !! J Scott
13312 999B Ball & Co ORRS Bill Kapp
13337 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
13347 999B Ball & Co ORRS K.Naylor
13380 999B Marcy & Co Hamilton Marcy S Don King
13388 999B Frank Hammond Frank Hammond Jeff Hess
14001-100 = B 14101-25 =D 14126-50 = C 14151-850 = B 14851-75 = C 14876-900 = D 901-15000 = B
14016 999B J.R.Read & Co Ball Watch Co dial 78 P I
14030 999B B.H. Stiff B.H. Stiff
14056 999B W.B. Wilcox W.B Wilcox Bulletin 184
14060 999B J.C.Woelfle J.C. Woelfe G.Frauenhoff
14076 999B C.W. Smith C. W. Smith Jeff Hess
14100 999B Wm. Kendricks & sons ORRS
14107 999D BLF BLF Dick Hanew
14123 999D BLF Hamilton dial Ebay
14127 999C BRT BRT Ebay
14128 999C BRT BRT J. Scott
14129 999C BRT BRT Jeff Hess
14138 999C BRT BRT
14175 999B Ball & Co ORRS RRapproved
14177 999B Frankenwatch Ball Watch plate Ebay
14184 999B Kruckemeyer & COHN Ball Watch dial!! Global Horology
14194 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frankenhoff
14209 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14212 999B H Joseph H Joseph Jeff Hess
14237 999B Ball & CO ORRS J. Fossette
14243 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14252 999B J.C. Woelfe Jeff Hess
14257 999B W.V. Foster W.V
14259 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14290 999B W.V .Foster W.V. Foster
14304 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14340 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14342 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14343 999B Ball & CO ORRS John Scott
14370 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bill Kapp
14396 999B Ball & CO ORRS EBAY
14398 999B H Joseph H Joseph EBAY
14406 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14420 999B Ball & Co ORRS O.C.Kid
14447 999B Erza F. Bowman Erza Bowman 77 P I
14484 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14522 999B W B Wilcox Jeff Hess
14551 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14575 999B C.J. Howley C.J. Howley
14613 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons 78 P I
14625 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14695 999B Ball & Co ORRS J. Scott
14698 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14706 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14710 999B Wm. Kendricks & SonsKendricks Oldwatch.com
14724 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14737 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14761 999B Ball & Co ORRS 78 P I
14767 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14779 999B Ball & Co Ball Watch Co Bill Kapp
14780 999B Ball & CO ORRS EBAY
14785 999B Ball & CO Wrong dial Ebay
14788 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14791 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bulletin 160
14836 999B Ball & CO ORRS EBAY
14856 999C BRT ORRS Ed/Kent
14868 999C BRT BRT Enchantables
14877 999D BLF Ball Watch BLF ebay
14898 999D BLF ORRS
14912 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14918 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14927 999B Ball & C0 ORRS J. Scott
14961 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14964 999B Ball & CO ORRS
20508 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20518 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20519 999E BSRRWCO 80 P I
20529 999E BSRRWCO Charlie Winters
20530 999E BSRRWCO Balls STd Jeff Hess
20539 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20552 999E BSRRWCO Ebay
20577 999E BSRRWCO
20588 999E BSRRWCO
20601 999E BSRRWCO Balls Standard RRWCO Ebay
20645 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20653 999E BSRRWCO BSRRWCO DS Ebay
20663 999E BSRRWCO Charlie Winters
20669 999E BSRRWCO BSRRWCO DS J Scott
20672 999E BSRRWCO J Goldberg
20682 999E BSRRWCO G.Frauenhoff
20689 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20691 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20708 999E Barrel bridge seen on # 90403 Ebay
20746 999E BSRRWCO Jones/Horan
20764 999E BSRRWCO Uniform Standard EBAY
20768 999E BSRRWCO Antiquarian
20781 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20793 999E BSRRWCO G.Frauenhoff
20803 999F RRWCO Buchan
20825 999F RRWCO 78 P I
20826 999F RRWCO 79 P I
20843 999F RRWCO
20852 999F RRWCO 79 P I
20853 999F RRWCO Ebay
20862 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20894 999F RRWCO Fred Hansen
20911 999F RRWCO K. Anderson
20920 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20926 999F RRWCO Engraved 17 Jewels!! Bill Kapp
20949 999F RRWCO Jones/Horan
20950 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20953 999F RRWCO RRapproved
20957 999F RRWCO EBAY
20969 999F RRWCO Bill Kapp
20982 999F RRWCO
28001-28100 = B 101-115 = D 116-130 = C 131-400 = B 401-450 = C 451-500 = D
28501-28550 = C 551-600 = D 601-625 = A 28626-29000 = B
28039 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28046 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28092 999B W.B. Wilcox Ball Watch CO dial! Ebay
28104 999D BLF BLF Oldwatch.com
28108 999D BLF B of LF ED/Kent
28110 999D BLF BLF Jeff Hess
28139 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
28155 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28205 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bill Kapp
28211 999B Ball & CO ORRS J pierzynski
28223 999B Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
28234 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28264 999B Ball & CO ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28290 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28295 999B ORC Jeff Hess
28305 999B G.W. Dickenson G.W Dickerson 78 P I
28307 999B Ball & C0 ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28336 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
28382 999B Ball & Co (938mark!) Ball Watch CO internet
28395 999B G W Dickerson Jeff Hess
28398 999B Ball & Co ORRS
28413 999C BRT BRT
28420 999C BRT BRT Ebay
28430 999C BRT BRT Lindell
28452 999D BLF BLF Ebay
28462 999D BLF BLF EBAY
28468 999D BLF BLF Jeff Hess
28483 999D BLF BLF J Scott
28516 999C BRT BRT Ebay
28517 999C BRT BRT Ed/Kent
28525 999C BRT BRT
28536 999C BRT BRT Jones/Horan
28543 999C BRT BRT
28557 999D BLF BLF
28558 999D BLF BLF Ed/Kent
28562 999D BLF BLF Ed /Kent
28573 999D BLF BLF Ed/Kent
28602 999A BLF BLF ED/Kent
28617 999A Ball & Co B of LF Ed/Kent
28632 999B BLE BLE Ebay
28701 999B Wm. Kendricks WM. Kendricks Jeff Hess
28704 999B BLE BLE Don King
28712 999B BLE barrel bridge on 118764 d Herrington
28719 999B Wm Kendricks Jeff Hess
28747 999B Ball & CO 42950 Barrel BR Brad Maisto
28748 999B BLF !!!!??? Jones/Horan
28755 999B ORC ORC Ed/Kent
28809 999B Wm Kendricks
28827 999B !!!! BLE BLE EBAY
28941 999B !!!! BRT ??? BRT Jeff Hess
28942 999B !!!! BRT ??? BRT Ebay
28962 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
28972 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bert Townsend
28983 999B Ball & CO Ball Watch CO !! J Scott
29000 999B BLE BLE 79 P I
42001-100 = D 101-200 = C 201-300 = B 301-400 = B 401-500 =A 501-600 = B 601-700 =A 701-43000 = B
A lot of conflict in these 42k reports, Did Ball really order 100 D's? The price guide values the 13k and 14k watches higher than these later runs. Could they be the victims of a lot of improvements or cannabalizing? 301-400 from factory records seem to be B's, but all the observations are Brotherhoods. Could this be the transition point when BLF and BRT's are installed with blank serial # barrel bridges at the Ball facility? Perhaps future research will make it clearer.
42005 999D BLF BLF Jones/Horan
42012 999? Ball & CO ORRS! Jones/Horan
42018 999? BLE BLE Jeff Hess
42026 999D BLF BLF Ed/Kent
42031 999D BLF BLF Ed Parsons
42035 999D BLF BAll & Co
42037 999D BLF BLF
42076 999? BLE BLE
42096 999D BLF BLF Don Herrington
42148 999C BRT BRT Jeff Hess
42155 999C BRT BRT R. Bates
42157 999C BRT BRT Ed/Kent
42179 999C BRTBRT BRT Ed/Kent
42196 999C BRT BRT Ed/Kent
42215 999 Ball watch plate and dial mismatch ebay
42228 999B Ball & CO ORRS
42240 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons Gunther
42267 999B Ball & CO ORRS Jeff Hess
42287 999B ORC ORC
42298 999B Ball & CO Ball Watch co Ebay
42316 999 BLF BLF EBAY
42330 999 BLF Ball Watch Co Ebay
42352 999 BRT BRT
42364 999 BRT BRT Don King
42401 999A BLE BLE Nigel Harrison
42406 999A BLE BLE
42414 999A BRT BRT Jeff Hess
42420 999? Wm. Kendricks & Sons G.Frauenhoff
42458 999A BLE BLE
42459 999A BLE BLE Ed/Kent
42491 999A ORC ORC J Scott
42497 999A ORC ORC Tom Walker
42502 999 ?? BLF&E Dial with no patd markings!!
43503 999B Ball & CO ORRS Incomplete
42509 999B Ball Watch CO ORRS Ebay
42576 999B Ball & CO ORRS
42582 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
42606 999A BRT BRT Oldwatch.com
42611 999A BLE BLE Ebay
42613 999A BLF BLF
42619 999A ORC ORC Kent
42622 999A BRT BRT SR Ebay
42623 999A ORC ORC Ed/Kent
42662 999A BLE BLE Don King
42666 999A BRT BRT 80 P I
42675 999A Ball & CO Ball Watch co Ebay
42690 999A BLE BLE Ed/Kent
42705 999B BLE BLE 79 P I
42733 999B BLF 80 P I
42850 999B Ball & CO ORRS No pallet or dial Ebay
42860 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
42866 999B Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
42872 999B Ball & CO ORRS EBAY
42876 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
42880 999B Ball & Co ORRS Bill Kapp
42918 999B ORC ORC Ebay
54982 976 Ball & CO Ball Watch Co Ebay
56243 974 Ball & CO Ball & CO 16sz 17 J Rhett Lucke
56402 976 Ball & CO Rhett Lucke
58049 972 Ball & CO Ebay
59290 972 Ball & CO
60225 976 Ball & CO Ball & CO Ebay
62909 974 Ball & CO Ebay
62910 974 Ball & CO Ball & CO Ebay
73025 (13025)? 999 B of &LF&E Typo???? Charles Watkins 80 Pi
90101-200 = F 201-600 = Uniform standard 601-750 = F 751-800 = G 801-950 = G
This seems to be the point at which factory letter designations are changing! except for the first run of 100 there are no F's as we have previously known them. Note that around 90750, they seem to be marked Ball Watch Co, not Ball and CO and the last group of F's and G's seem to be all commercial standard's.
90101 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90129 999 WEBB C BALL barrel!!?? Roman BSRRWCO!!?? BKERR
90155 999 RRWCO G.Frauenhoff
90160 999 RRWCO Don King
90183 999 RRWCO Webb C Ball ebay
90201 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90216 999 ORRS "A" 79 P I
90217 999 ORRS "A" Jones/Horan
90220 999 ORRS "A" ORRS DS EBAY
90232 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR Jeff Hess
90242 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ebay
90258 999 Ball & CO ORRS DS
90268 999 Ball & CO "A" Ball watch co dial
90285 999 Ball & CO "A" Ball watch co dial Ebay
90346 999 Ball & CO ORRS
90358 999 Ball & CO "A" ORRS
90385 999 Ball & CO "A" Ball Watch Co dial J Scott
90403 999 BSRRWCO bridge # 20708!!!!! Ebay
90458 999 Ball & CO "A" G.Frauenhoff
90460 999 Ball & CO "A" Ebay
90490 999 Ball & Co "A" ORRS Jeff Hess
90513 999 Ball & CO "A" ORRS J Scott
90528 999 Ball & Co ORRS
90537 999 Ball & Co "A" ORRS Jeff Hess
90538 999 Ball & Co "A" ORRS Jeff Hess
90539 999 Ball & Co "A" ORRS Jeff Hess
90546 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90557 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90566 999 SR John Holtz
90576 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Jack Goldstein
90578 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90617 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR DS Ed/Kent
90624 999 Ball & CO B of LE SR DS Lindell
90646 999 Ball & CO DS Ed/Kent
90671 999 Ball & CO DS Charlie Winters
90692 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90710 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR Jeff Hess
90720 999 ORRS SR 80P I
90767 999 Ball Watch CO Commerxial std ebay
90784 999 Ball & CO? Commercial Std Jeff Hess
90787 999 Ball & CO? Commercial Std Fred Hansen
90789 999 Ball Watch CO Commercial Std EBAY
90793 999 Commercial Std Balll Watch Co Jeff Hess
90815 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Jeff Hess
90859 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Fred Hansen
90897 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Jeff Hess
90905 999 Commercial Std Ball WAtch CO Fred Hansen
90916 999 Commercial STD DS Ball Watch Co EBAY
90922 999F Commercial STD DS Ball Watch CO Ebay
90938 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO G.Frauenhoff
118001-100 = 21J 101-200 =? 201-400 = 17J 401-500 =? 501-600 =17J 601-700 = 21J 701-119000 = 17 J
118024 999 BLE BLE
118051 999 BLF Jeff Hess
118055 999 BLF BLF Don King
118065 999 ORC ORC LA Regional
118082 999 BRT BRT ED/Kent
118084 999 BRT BRT Ed/Kent
118120 999 BLE BLE Ed/Kent
118170 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118219 999 Ball & Co ORRS parts watch Ebay
118261 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
118268 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118277 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jeff Hess
118356 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118492 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ed/Kent
118553 999 Ball Watch CO Ball Watch co John Scott
118576 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jeff Hess
118602 999 Ball & CO ORRS 21J Ebay
118621 999 Ball & CO 21J Sunray Jeff Hess
118651 999 Ball & CO ORRS ebay
118708 999 Ball & CO ORRS Bill Kapp
118764 999 Mismatch Barrel BRidge BLE (28712) EBAY
118779 999 Ball & CO no dial Ebay
118787 999 Ball & CO Ball Watch co dial ebay
118795 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118803 999 BLE BLE (118792) Joel Sarich
118852 999 ORC ORC Jeff Hess
118865 999 ORC ORC Bogoff
118935 999 Ball Watch Co Ball Watch CO
118941 999 Ball Watch Co Ball Watch Co
17001-100= 17J 101-170400 = E !! Not the same E that we have seen before. Factory designations have changed!
170026 999 Ball Watch Co Ball Watch co ORRS
170030 999 Ball Watch CO Ball watch co ORRS J. Scott
170045 999 Ball Watch CO A Schivia
170108 999
170144 999 Ball & CO SR Ed/Kent
170197 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Tom Walker
170206 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Joe Robinson
170210 999 Ball & CO SR ED/Kent
170240 999 Ball & CO SR Ball Watch Co dial Don King
170247 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
170249 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Lindell
170257 999 Ball & CO Kendricks!!!!!???????? Fred Hansen
170264 999 Ball & CO SR Ball Watch Co Dial Ebay
170280 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
170282 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Bruce Byrd
170354 999 Ball & CO ORRS G.Frauenhoff
170370 999 Ball & CO SR Ball & Co DS Fred Hansen
170376 999 Ball & CO SR Ball & CO DS Ebay
170392 999 Ball & CO SR ED/Kent
170648 999 Ball & CO!! 21J BLF !! Replaced barrel bridge!
170633 999 Ball & CO !! 21J BLE !! ?????????????????
208087 999 Ball watch co
208600 999 Ball & C0 ORC ????!!!!!!!!!!!