Ball & Co - Report 1
serial model Movement descr Dial Name
601 936 BSSG WCB
603 936 BSSG
607 936 BSSG WCB
608 936 BSSG WCB
611 936 BSSG
6019 936 BSSG
6105 936 BSSG WCB
7103 937
8619 936 BSSG
8629 936 BSSG WCB
8630 936 BSSG
8711 938 Ball & Co ORRS
8718 938 F.F. Bonnet ORRS F.F.Bonnet
8729 938 C.C. Fried
8732 938 Marcy & CO ORRS Marcy & CO
8741 938 A.Bach ORRS A. BAch
8742 938 A. Bach ORRS A. BAch
8745 938 A.Bach
8774 938 Ball & Co ORRS Ball & Co
8782 938 Ball & Co ORRS
9489 939 ORRS
13018 999C C.C. Gere ORRS Ball & Co Switch????
13020 999C Ball & Co BRT
13025 999D Ball & co B of LF
13028 999D Ball & Co B Of LF ORRS
13029 999D Ball & CO B of LF B of LF
13030 999D Ball & C0 B Of Lf Ball & Co
13045 999D Ball & Co B Of LF B of LF
13050 999D Ball & Co B Of LF B of LF
13053 999D Ball & Co B of LF
13078 999B Davis Bros
13109 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13134 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13169 999B Lynn & Leedy Orrs
13173 999B Marcy & Co
13176 999 B Borgerdine Br ORRS
13177 999 mismatch plates and dial
13200 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13203 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13213 999B Ball & CO ORRS
13253 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13264 999B C.C.Fried
13266 999B C.C.Fried
13271 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13293 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13312 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13337 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13347 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13380 999B Marcy & Co
13388 999B Frank Hammond Frank Hammond
14016 999B J.R.Read & Co
14030 999B B.H. Stiff ORRS B.H. Stiff
14056 999B W.B. Wilcox
14060 999B J.C.Woelfle
14076 999B C.W. Smith
14100 999B Wm. Kendricks & sons ORRS
14107 999D Ball & Co BLF B of LF
14123 999D Ball & C0 BLF Hamilton dial
14127 999C Ball & CO BRT
14129 999C Ball & Co BRT
14138 999C Ball & Co BRT
14175 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14184 999B Kruckemeyer & COHN ORRS
14194 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14212 999B H Joseph ORRS
14243 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14252 999B J.C. Woelfe ORRS
14257 999B W.V. Foster
14259 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14290 999B W.V .Foster
14304 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14340 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14342 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14370 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14406 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14420 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14447 999B Erza F. Bowman
14522 999B W B Wilcox ORRS
14551 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14575 999B C.J. Howley
14613 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons
14625 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14695 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14710 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons
14724 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14737 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14761 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14767 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14779 999B Ball & Co Ball Watch Co
14788 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14791 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14856 999C Ball & Co BRT ORRS
14868 999C Ball & CO BRT BRT
14898 999B Ball & Co B of LF ORRS Switch????
14912 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14918 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14927 999B Ball & C0 ORRS
14961 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14964 999B Ball & CO ORRS
20508 999E BSRRWCO
20518 999E BSRRWCO
20519 999E BSRRWCO
20530 999E BSRRWCO Balls STd
20539 999E BSRRWCO
20577 999E BSRRWCO
20601 999E BSRRWCO Balls Standard RRWCO
20645 999E BSRRWCO
20672 999E BSRRWCO
20682 999E BSRRWCO
20689 999E BSRRWCO
20691 999E BSRRWCO
20746 999E BSRRWCO
20768 999E BSRRWCO
20781 999E BSRRWCO
20793 999E BSRRWCO
20803 999F RRWCO
20825 999F RRWCO
20826 999F RRWCO
20843 999F RRWCO
20852 999F RRWCO
20862 999F RRWCO
20894 999F RRWCO
20920 999F RRWCO
20949 999F RRWCO
20950 999F RRWCO
20953 999F RRWCO
20969 999F RRWCO
20982 999F RRWCO
28039 999B Ball & Co ORRS
28046 999B Ball & Co ORRS
28092 999B W.B. Wilcox ORRS
28104 999D Ball & Co B of LF Standard Ball & CO
28108 999D Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
28110 999D Ball & CO BLT
28139 999B Ball & CO ORRS
28155 999 Ball & Co ORRS
28205 999 Ball & Co ORRS
28223 999 Ball & CO ORRS
28234 999 Ball & Co ORRS
28264 999 Ball & CO ORRS
28290 999 Ball & Co ORRS
28295 999 Ball & Co ORC
28305 999B G.W. Dickenson
28307 999B Ball & C0 ORRS
28336 999B Ball & CO ORRS
28382 999 Ball & Co (938mark!) Ball Watch CO
28395 999B G W Dickerson
28398 999B Ball & Co ORRS
28413 999D Ball & Co BRT
28452 999C Ball & CO BLF
28468 999C Ball & Co BLF
28516 999D Ball & Co BRT
28517 999D Ball & Co BRT BRT
28525 999D Ball & Co BRT BRT
28536 999D Ball & CO BRT BRT
28543 999D Ball & CO BRT BRT
28557 999C Ball & CO BLF
28558 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
28562 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
28573 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
28602 999A Ball & Co B of LF
28617 999A Ball & Co B of LF
28701 999B Wm. Kendricks
28704 999B Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
28719 999B Wm Kendricks
28747 999 Ball & CO 42950 Barrel BR
28748 999 Ball & CO BLT
28755 999 Ball & Co ORC
28809 999 Wm Kendricks
28941 999 Ball & C0 BRT
28942 999 Ball & CO BRT
28962 999 Ball & CO ORRS
29000 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42005 999 Ball & Co B of LF
42012 999 Ball & CO ORRS!
42018 999 Ball & Co B of LE
42026 999 Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
42031 999 Ball & Co B of LF B of LF
42035 999 Ball & Co B of LF BAll & Co
42076 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42096 999 Ball & Co BLF BLF 21J Brakewheel
42148 999 Ball & C0 BRT
42157 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT
42179 999 Ball & Co BRT
42196 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT
42228 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42240 999 Wm. Kendricks & Sons
42267 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42287 999 Ball & Co ORC
42316 999 Ball & CO BRT
42330 999 Ball & CO BLF ORRS Ball Watch Co
42352 999 Ball & Co B of RT B of RT
42364 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT
42406 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42414 999 Ball & Co BRT
42420 999 Wm. Kendricks & Sons
42458 999 Ball & CO B of LE
42459 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42497 999 Ball & Co ORC
42502 999 BLF&E Dial with no patd markings!!
43503 999 Ball & CO ORRS Incomplete
42509 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42576 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42582 999 Ball & Co ORRS
42606 999 Ball & Co BRT
42611 999 Ball & CO BLE B of LE
42613 999 Ball & CO B of B of LF
42622 999 Ball & CO BRT BRT 21J SR
42623 999 Ball & Co ORC ORC
42662 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42666 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT
42690 999 Ball & CO B of L B of LE
42705 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42733 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42866 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42876 999 Ball & Co ORRS
42880 999 Ball & Co ORRS Ball & Co
42918 999 Ball & Co ORC ORC
73025 (13025)? 999 Ball & Co B of &LE Typo???? Charles Watkins 80 Pi
90101 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90155 999 RRWCO
90160 999 RRWCO
90201 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90216 999 ORRS "A"
90217 999 ORRS "A"
90232 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR
90242 999 Ball & CO ORRS
90258 999 Ball & CO ORRS DS
90346 999 Ball & CO ORRS
90358 999 Ball & CO ORRS "A"
90403 999 BofLE DS
90458 999 ORRS "A"
90460 999 ORRS "A"
90490 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A"
90528 999 Ball & Co ORRS
90537 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A"
90538 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A"
90539 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A"
90546 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90557 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90566 999 SR
90576 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90578 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90617 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR DS
90624 999 Ball & CO B of LE SR
90692 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90710 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR
90720 999 ORRS "A"
90784 999 Commercial Std
90787 999 Commercial Std
90793 999 Commercial Std
90905 999 Commercial Std
118024 999 B of LE B of LE
118051 999 B of LE
118055 999 B of LF B of LF
118065 999 ORC ORC
118082 999 BRT BRT
118084 999 BRT BRT
118120 999 B of LE B of LE
118170 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118261 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118277 999 ORRS
118356 999 ORRS
118492 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118576 999 ORRS
118602 999 Ball & CO ORRS 21J
118621 999 Ball & CO 21J Sunray
118651 999 ORRS
118708 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118779 999 Ball & CO no dial
118795 999 ORRS
118852 999 Ball & CO ORC
118865 999 Ball & CO ORC
118935 999 Ball Watch Co suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
118941 999 Ball Watch Co suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
170197 999 ORRS SR
170026 999 Ball Watch Co! Ball Watch co ORRS
170206 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
170247 999 Ball & CO ORRS
170249 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
170282 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
170354 999 ORRS
170370 999 ORRS SR Ball & Co DS
170648 999 Ball & CO!! 21J BLF !! Replaced barrel bridge!
208087 999 Ball watch co
208600 999 Ball & C0 ORC ????!!!!!!!!!!!
It has always seemed strange to me That 999E and 999F are easily distinguished as RRWCO but that the other letters seem random.
I see an extremely high correlation after reading the Laser list.
999B would appear to be ORRS, either Ball and Co or Private Label. This appears to be true thruoughout the runs.
999C would appear to be brotherhoods, most likely BRT at least thru the 13 and 14K runs.
999D would appear also to be brotherhoods, most likely BLF at least thru the 13 and 14k runs.
The 28 k run is less clear. All the B's are still ORRS, PL's and Ball and Co, but C's and D's seem to be randomly Brotherhoods in this run.
With decades of switching, it is difficult to say anything with absolute certainty, but I have enough confidence in the mathematical probability of this correlation to state that:
I would definitely want to inspect the bottom of the plates for serial number matches before purchasing a watch that did not conform to my expectations.
The A designation has two BLF's reported but I can offer no conclusion on what signifies it being an A.
BTW , Dr Laser lists the 20,801-21000 999F run as 17J. I believe they are 16J.
happy hunting,
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Bill Kapp