Ball & Co - Report 1
serial model Movement descr Dial Name Source
601 936 BSSG WCB Don Barret
603 936 BSSG Jeff Hess
607 936 BSSG WCB Jones/Horan
608 936 BSSG WCB Joel Sarich
611 936 BSSG
6019 936 BSSG Jeff Hess
6105 936 BSSG WCB Jeff Smith
7103 937 Rhett Lucke
8619 936 BSSG 80 P I
8629 936 BSSG WCB Bill Kapp
8630 936 BSSG Jeff Hess
8711 938 Ball & Co ORRS ED/Kent
8718 938 F.F. Bonnet ORRS F.F.Bonnet Ed/Kent
8729 938 C.C. Fried Jeff Hess
8732 938 Marcy & CO ORRS Marcy & CO Ed/Kent
8741 938 A.Bach ORRS A. BAch Ed/Kent
8742 938 A. Bach ORRS A. BAch Ed/Kent
8745 938 A.Bach ORRS A.Bach Ed/Kent
8752 938 W.C. Davis ORRS W.C. Davis J.Fossette
8774 938 Ball & Co ORRS Ball & Co Bill Kapp
8782 938 Ball & Co ORRS
9489 939 ORRS Walt Kroeker
13018 999C C.C. Gere ORRS Ball & Co ?? G.Frauenhoff
13020 999C Ball & Co BRT G.Frauenhoff
13021 999D Ball & CO B of LF B of LF Brad Severe
13025 999D Ball & co B of LF 80 P I
13028 999D Ball & Co B Of LF ORRS Don King
13029 999D Ball & CO B of LF B of LF D.Lockwood
13030 999D Ball & C0 B Of Lf Ball & Co Oldwatch.com
13045 999D Ball & Co B Of LF B of LF Ed/Kent
13050 999D Ball & Co B Of LF B of LF Lindell
13053 999D Ball & Co B of LF
13078 999B Davis Bros
13109 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jones/Hora
13134 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13169 999B Lynn & Leedy Orrs
13173 999B Marcy & Co G.Frauenhoff
13176 999 B Borgerdine Br ORRS Jeff Hess
13177 999 mismatch plates and dial Ebay
13200 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13203 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13213 999B Ball & CO ORRS
13253 999B Ball & Co ORRS
13264 999B C.C.Fried G.Frauenhoff
13266 999B C.C.Fried Bill Kapp
13271 999B Ball & Co ORRS H. McMahon
13293 999B Ball & Co ORRS Charley Sides
13312 999B Ball & Co ORRS Bill Kapp
13337 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
13347 999B Ball & Co ORRS K.Naylor
13380 999B Marcy & Co Don King
13388 999B Frank Hammond Frank Hammond Jeff Hess
14016 999B J.R.Read & Co 78 P I
14030 999B B.H. Stiff ORRS B.H. Stiff
14056 999B W.B. Wilcox Bulletin 184
14060 999B J.C.Woelfle G.Frauenhoff
14076 999B C.W. Smith Jeff Hess
14100 999B Wm. Kendricks & sons ORRS
14107 999D Ball & Co BLF B of LF Dick Hanew
14123 999D Ball & C0 BLF Hamilton dial Ebay
14127 999C Ball & CO BRT Ebay
14129 999C Ball & Co BRT Jeff Hess
14138 999C Ball & Co BRT
14175 999B Ball & Co ORRS RRapproved
14184 999B Kruckemeyer & COHN ORRS Global Horology
14194 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frankenhoff
14212 999B H Joseph ORRS Jeff Hess
14237 999B Ball & CO ORRS J. Fossette
14243 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14252 999B J.C. Woelfe ORRS Jeff Hess
14257 999B W.V. Foster
14259 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14290 999B W.V .Foster
14304 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14340 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14342 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14370 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bill Kapp
14406 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14420 999B Ball & Co ORRS O.C.Kid
14447 999B Erza F. Bowman 77 P I
14522 999B W B Wilcox ORRS Jeff Hess
14551 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14575 999B C.J. Howley
14613 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons 78 P I
14625 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14695 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14706 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14710 999B Wm. Kendricks & Sons Oldwatch.com
14724 999B Ball & Co ORRS
14737 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14761 999B Ball & Co ORRS 78 P I
14767 999B Ball & CO ORRS
14779 999B Ball & Co Ball Watch Co Bill Kapp
14788 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14791 999B Ball & CO ORRS Bulletin 160
14856 999C Ball & Co BRT ORRS Ed/Kent
14868 999C Ball & CO BRT BRT Enchantables
14877 999D Ball & CO Bof LF Ball Watch BLF ebay
14898 999B Ball & Co B of LF ORRS Switch????
14912 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14918 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
14927 999B Ball & C0 ORRS
14961 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
14964 999B Ball & CO ORRS
20508 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20518 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20519 999E BSRRWCO 80 P I
20530 999E BSRRWCO Balls STd Jeff Hess
20539 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20577 999E BSRRWCO
20601 999E BSRRWCO Balls Standard RRWCO Ebay
20645 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20663 999E BSRRWCO Charlie Winters
20672 999E BSRRWCO J Goldberg
20682 999E BSRRWCO G.Frauenhoff
20689 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20691 999E BSRRWCO Jeff Hess
20708 999E Barrel bridge seen on # 90403 Ebay
20746 999E BSRRWCO Jones/Horan
20768 999E BSRRWCO Antiquarian
20781 999E BSRRWCO Fred Hansen
20793 999E BSRRWCO G.Frauenhoff
20803 999F RRWCO Buchan
20825 999F RRWCO 78 P I
20826 999F RRWCO 79 P I
20843 999F RRWCO
20852 999F RRWCO 79 P I
20862 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20894 999F RRWCO Fred Hansen
20911 999F RRWCO K. Anderson
20920 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20949 999F RRWCO Jones/Horan
20950 999F RRWCO Jeff Hess
20953 999F RRWCO RRapproved
20969 999F RRWCO Bill Kapp
20982 999F RRWCO
28039 999B Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28046 999B Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28092 999B W.B. Wilcox ORRS Ebay
28104 999D Ball & Co B of LF Standard Ball & CO Oldwatch.com
28108 999D Ball & Co B of LF B of LF ED/Kent
28110 999D Ball & CO BLT Jeff Hess
28139 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
28155 999 Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28205 999 Ball & CO ORRS Bill Kapp
28223 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
28234 999 Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
28264 999 Ball & CO ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28290 999 Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28295 999 Ball & Co ORC Jeff Hess
28305 999B G.W. Dickenson 78 P I
28307 999B Ball & C0 ORRS G.Frauenhoff
28336 999B Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
28382 999 Ball & Co (938mark!) Ball Watch CO internet
28395 999B G W Dickerson Jeff Hess
28398 999B Ball & Co ORRS
28413 999D Ball & Co BRT
28420 999D Ball & CO BRT Ebay
28452 999C Ball & CO BLF Ebay
28468 999C Ball & Co BLF Jeff Hess
28516 999D Ball & Co BRT Ebay
28517 999D Ball & Co BRT BRT Ed/Kent
28525 999D Ball & Co BRT BRT
28536 999D Ball & CO BRT BRT Jones/Horan
28543 999D Ball & CO BRT BRT
28557 999C Ball & CO BLF
28558 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF Ed/Kent
28562 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF Ed /Kent
28573 999C Ball & Co B of LF B of LF Ed/Kent
28602 999A Ball & Co B of LF ED/Kent
28617 999A Ball & Co B of LF Ed/Kent
28701 999B Wm. Kendricks Jeff Hess
28704 999B Ball & Co B of LE B of LE Don King
28719 999B Wm Kendricks Jeff Hess
28747 999 Ball & CO 42950 Barrel BR Brad Maisto
28748 999 Ball & CO BLT Jones/Horan
28755 999 Ball & Co ORC Ed/Kent
28809 999 Wm Kendricks
28941 999 Ball & C0 BRT Jeff Hess
28942 999 Ball & CO BRT Ebay
28962 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
29000 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE 79 P I
42005 999 Ball & Co B of LF Jones/Horan
42012 999 Ball & CO ORRS! Jones/Horan
42018 999 Ball & Co B of LE Jeff Hess
42026 999 Ball & Co B of LF B of LF Ed/Kent
42031 999 Ball & Co B of LF B of LF Ed Parsons
42035 999 Ball & Co B of LF BAll & Co
42076 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42096 999 Ball & Co BLF BLF 21J Brakewheel Don Herrington
42148 999 Ball & C0 BRT Jeff Hess
42157 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT Ed/Kent
42179 999 Ball & Co BRT Ed/Kent
42196 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT Ed/Kent
42228 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42240 999 Wm. Kendricks & Sons Gunther
42267 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jeff Hess
42287 999 Ball & Co ORC
42316 999 Ball & CO BRT
42330 999 Ball & CO BLF ORRS Ball Watch Co Ebay
42352 999 Ball & Co B of RT B of RT
42364 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT Don King
42401 999 Ball & CO BLE BLE Nigel Harrison
42406 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE
42414 999 Ball & Co BRT Jeff Hess
42420 999 Wm. Kendricks & Sons G.Frauenhoff
42458 999 Ball & CO B of LE
42459 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE Ed/Kent
42497 999 Ball & Co ORC Tom Walker
42502 999 BLF&E Dial with no patd markings!!
43503 999 Ball & CO ORRS Incomplete
42509 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42576 999 Ball & CO ORRS
42582 999 Ball & Co ORRS Jeff Hess
42606 999 Ball & Co BRT Oldwatch.com
42611 999 Ball & CO BLE B of LE Ebay
42613 999 Ball & CO B of B of LF
42622 999 Ball & CO BRT BRT 21J SR Ebay
42623 999 Ball & Co ORC ORC Ed/Kent
42662 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE Don King
42666 999 Ball & Co BRT BRT 80 P I
42675 999 Ball & CO 21J ORRS Ball Watch co Ebay
42690 999 Ball & CO B of L B of LE Ed/Kent
42705 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE 79 P I
42733 999 Ball & Co B of LE B of LE 80 P I
42860 999 Ball & CO ORRS ORRS Ebay
42866 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
42872 999 Ball & CO ORRS ORRS EBAY
42876 999 Ball & Co ORRS G.Frauenhoff
42880 999 Ball & Co ORRS Ball & Co Bill Kapp
42918 999 Ball & Co ORC ORC Ebay
54982 Ball & CO Ball Watch Co Ebay
56243 974 Ball & CO Ball & CO 16sz 17 J Rhett Lucke
56402 976 Ball & CO Rhett Lucke
58049 972 Ball & CO Ebay
59290 972 Ball & CO
62909 974 Ball & CO Ebay
62910 974 Ball & CO Ball & CO Ebay
73025 (13025)? 999 Ball & Co B of &LE Typo???? Charles Watkins 80 Pi
90101 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90155 999 RRWCO G.Frauenhoff
90160 999 RRWCO Don King
90201 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90216 999 ORRS "A" 79 P I
90217 999 ORRS "A" Jones/Horan
90232 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR Jeff Hess
90242 999 Ball & CO ORRS
90258 999 Ball & CO ORRS DS
90285 999 Ball & CO Ball watch co dial ORRS "A" Ebay
90346 999 Ball & CO ORRS
90358 999 Ball & CO ORRS "A"
90403 999 BSRRWCO bridge # 20708!!!!! Ebay
90458 999 ORRS "A" G.Frauenhoff
90460 999 ORRS "A" Ebay
90490 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A" Jeff Hess
90528 999 Ball & Co ORRS
90537 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A" Jeff Hess
90538 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A" Jeff Hess
90539 999 Ball & Co ORRS "A" Jeff Hess
90546 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90557 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90566 999 SR John Holtz
90576 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Jack Goldstein
90578 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Ed/Kent
90617 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR DS Ed/Kent
90624 999 Ball & CO B of LE SR Lindell
90646 999 Ball & CO DS Ed/Kent
90671 999 Ball & CO DS Charlie Winters
90692 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR
90710 999 Ball & Co ORRS SR Jeff Hess
90720 999 ORRS "A" 80P I
90784 999 Ball & CO Commercial Std Jeff Hess
90787 999 Ball & CO Commercial Std Fred Hansen
90789 999 Ball Watch CO Commercial Std EBAY
90793 999 Commercial Std Balll Watch Co Jeff Hess
90815 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Jeff Hess
90859 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Fred Hansen
90897 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO Jeff Hess
90905 999 Commercial Std Ball WAtch CO Fred Hansen
90938 999 Commercial Std Ball Watch CO G.Frauenhoff
118024 999 B of LE B of LE Jone/Horan
118051 999 B of LE Jeff Hess
118055 999 B of LF B of LF Don King
118065 999 ORC ORC LA Regional
118082 999 BRT BRT ED/Kent
118084 999 BRT BRT Ed/Kent
118120 999 B of LE B of LE Ed/Kent
118170 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118261 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
118268 999 Ball & CO ORRS
118277 999 ORRS Jeff Hess
118356 999 ORRS
118492 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ed/Kent
118576 999 ORRS Jeff Hess
118602 999 Ball & CO ORRS 21J Ebay
118621 999 Ball & CO 21J Sunray Jeff Hess
118651 999 ORRS Bill Kapp
118708 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
118779 999 Ball & CO no dial Ebay
118795 999 ORRS
118803 999 Ball & CO BLE (118792) Joel Sarich
118852 999 Ball & CO ORC Jeff Hess
118865 999 Ball & CO ORC Bogoff
118935 999 Ball Watch Co suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
118941 999 Ball Watch Co suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
170026 999 Ball Watch Co! Ball Watch co ORRS
170108 999
170144 999 Ball & CO SR Ed/Kent
170197 999 ORRS SR Tom Walker
170240 999 Ball & CO SR Ball Watch co dial Don King
170206 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Joe Robinson
170210 999 Ball & CO SR ED/Kent
170247 999 Ball & CO ORRS Jones/Horan
170249 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Lindell
170257 999 Ball & CO Kendricks!!!!!???????? Fred Hansen
170280 999 Ball & CO ORRS Ebay
170282 999 Ball & CO ORRS SR Bruce Byrd
170354 999 ORRS G.Frauenhoff
170370 999 ORRS SR Ball & Co DS Fred Hansen
170376 999 ORRS SR Ball & CO DS Ebay
170392 999 Ball & CO SR ED/Kent
170648 999 Ball & CO!! 21J BLF !! Replaced barrel bridge!
170633 999 Ball & CO !! 21J BLE !! ?????????????????
208087 999 Ball watch co
208600 999 Ball & C0 ORC ????!!!!!!!!!!!
It has always seemed strange to me That 999E and 999F are easily distinguished as RRWCO but that the other letters seem random.
I see an extremely high correlation after reading the Laser list.
999B would appear to be ORRS, either Ball and Co or Private Label. This appears to be true thruoughout the runs.
999C would appear to be brotherhoods, most likely BRT at least thru the 13 and 14K runs.
999D would appear also to be brotherhoods, most likely BLF at least thru the 13 and 14k runs.
The 28 k run is less clear. All the B's are still ORRS, PL's and Ball and Co, but C's and D's seem to be randomly Brotherhoods in this run.
With decades of switching, it is difficult to say anything with absolute certainty, but I have enough confidence in the mathematical probability of this correlation to state that:
I would definitely want to inspect the bottom of the plates for serial number matches before purchasing a watch that did not conform to my expectations.
The A designation has two BLF's reported but I can offer no conclusion on what signifies it being an A.
BTW , Dr Laser lists the 20,801-21000 999F run as 17J. I believe they are 16J.
happy hunting,
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Bill Kapp